You can say I’m a bit obsessed when it comes to having a good accent in Spanish. Although my goal always was to have a spotless accent, I decided to more or less give up that dream. Do I think it’s impossible? No, I certainly think that it’s possible to have a spotless accent in a foreign language. The point is; I think time could be spend better on other things.
Don’t get me wrong; I still spend time on improving my accent (some natives I meet say there are still a few tracks of foreigness in my speech, which I want to weed out whenever possible). But the better you get, the harder it becomes to eliminate the foreign things that remain.
What are the things that cause you to have an accent? The most common problem is that you pronounce things in a wrong way. My problem first was being unable to pronounce a correct ‘r’ (fixed that), and recently I discovered that my ‘d’ wasn’t really Spanish (I pronounced it too much like a ‘t’ (like in Dutch) – fixed by now). Another problem could be that you still pronounce words separately (I always had that problem until coming to Spain and having to speak a lot with natives. Listening to them and myself and being able to improve myself I tackled this. This proves that speaking can actually fix some parts of your speech). And then there’s the wonderful thing called “intonation”. Getting a correct intonation is actually pretty hard to get, and is often fixed with a mix of heavy listening and speaking (and listening to yourself!).
So we can safely say that having a native or near-native accent is really hard to get, and maybe even impossible for most people (I heard some Japanese natives saying that even Khatzumoto of AJATT has a bit of a foreign accent in Japanese, although the Antimoon guys tackled a native American accent without a problem). That’s why I’m giving the following tip: don’t worry too much about your accent!
Notice that I say accent, not pronunciation. The two are completely different things. Like we discussed, an accent is mainly intonation or not a fully correct pronunciation of all letters (although still regarded correct, but foreign).
Pronunciation, however, is something you should really tackle as soon as possible. People can understand you perfectly if you have a slight accent or if you ‘de’ or ‘ce’ is a bit off, but having a shipwrecked pronunciation (like pronouncing the ‘r’ in an American way or the final ‘o’ if it were a German ‘ö’ (also very common for Americans)) will make things ugly. People will tune out, stop listening to you because it sucks.
Example: the mother of a good friend of mine is English. She came to Spain about 20 years ago and started learning Spanish right away. Now, 20 years later, she speaks it fluently without making a single grammatical error. She doesn’t have an accent, no; her pronunciation is f*cked up! When speaking with her at a party last week I really had to do my best to keep up with her, because I actually have to translate her wrong pronunciation to a correct one in my head. This takes quite some energy I can tell you, and not all people are willing to do that.
So, having a foreign accent? Improve it, but don’t worry too much. Having a wrong pronunciation? Get better at it, right now!
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Creo que aprendeste algo ahí en españa
. Sabes que estaba ahí también en los últimas dias? Estaba en Madrid por el avión para São Paulo y después en ruta a mi casa. Estaba hablando mucho en Español por que los aviónes en que estaba son de Iberia. Tenemos que hablar otra vez muy rápido!
Haz bien ahí! Buena suerte!
Y… puedes ver que mi Español se vuelve ya mejor
. Jajajaja…..
Ah… Também estava aprendendo bastante o português. Mas isso é totalmente uma coisa diferente, além das similaridades entre os idiomas…
@Ramses: Isn’t accent, proper accent that is, directly related to proper pronunciation? I guess I don’t see how to have proper pronunciation without having proper accent. In my experience it has been extremely difficult to find teachers of pronunciation/accent. The usual comment is, “You have very good Spanish pronunciation.” I know, of course, that my pronunciation and accent needs work. How do I know? I ask others (non-teachers) and I get responses like “Yea, I can tell a difference but…, don’t worry about it. Your pronunciation is really good.” The problem is I DON’T WANT REALLY GOOD! I want to sound EXACTLY as if Spanish were my first language. Sometimes being a perfectionist with my language learning goes against me. I think.
David
@David
Sounds like you’re pretty much like me. The main difference between pronunciation and accent is often intonation and word length. My pronunciation is pretty much perfect, for example. My main problem is that I don’t open my mouth enough (common problem for Dutch and English speakers) and until recently I was really chopping off my words.
If you lengthen your words you’ll sound more like a native. Also, it’s difficult to spot the differences in intonation. Until this day I can’t really put the finger on my intonation problem (and I have spent MANY hours analyzing my speech). This could be solved my speaking (I think), but I’m not sure. Again, if I ask non-teachers I often get the comment they always though I was a native (this are the people outside of Spain). Spaniards mostly can tell I’m not native if they listen carefully, but can’t say from where.
This means that pronunciation and accent can be two different things. However, they’re mostly related directly (not in my case, though, which actually makes things nastier when you advance). One thing I did notice was that my accent actually improved by SPEAKING. Still, I’m listen carefully to myself when I speak (I’m perfectly able to do this after some self-training, so I think it’s something everyone can do) so that I can errors and such. This is how I tackled the lengthening issue (although I was not aware that I had this ‘problem’ and less that I fixed it – I just imitated native speakers right away when speaking with them).
I agree with you that most teachers SUCK when it comes to improving one’s pronunciation/accent. In college it was fully ignored in my first year (the MOST IMPORTANT year to fix any serious problem) and it was only introduced recently that the first years are learned how to pronounce the r (but nothing else, actually).